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    Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 28/July/2010 at 20:52		 GTI-R Aut
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hi guys iīm thinkin about to change the interwarmer to an watercooled system, did this already anyone? iīm not sure yet because in other forums they say itīs just good for drag but not good for all day use. what u guys think

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I'd just go for a front mount.  It's simpler and will probably weigh less than turniing the top mount into a chargecooler.
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There was a kit for sale at one point of the interwarmer converted to a water cooled charge cooler with pump and front mounted radiator, no reason it shouldent work really.
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I'm sure I read something about this... the water/air cooler does a better job over short distances and when the car isn't moving, but it really suffers from heat soak once the water gets warmer. - That's why they say it's good for drag racing; you get really good cooling for a couple of minutes, then it gets hot and stops working. You really need a way to keep the water cool (so a second radiator and/or a big reservoir) to make it work any longer than that.

I'll be damned if I can remember where I read it, so I could have that slightly wrong.
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Quote GTI-R Aut Replybullet Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 28/July/2010 at 23:51 GTI-R Aut
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the water canīt that warm when i use 2 radiators and a big watercooler, the toyota celica carlos sainz ed has it stock so why would it use toyota when itīs crap and i donīt want a huge air intercooler so i lose too much pressure from the turbo

i found this i should simular to the original ic:


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Quote PobodY Replybullet Posted by: PobodY on 29/July/2010 at 07:30 PobodY
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Ah, but here's the thing; if you are running radiators etc then you're carrying how many litres of water to fill the system and circulate it?
Using ice to keep it cool? How do you stop the ice from melting and just becoming a pot full of cool (then warm, then hot) water?

I'm not saying that they aren't more efficient at cooling your charge; just that they have their own problems.

It's a very common practice on boats, but then you have an entire ocean of fresh cool water to cool the system; you don't have that in a car. What you have is extra weight.

Seems like you mind is already made-up about it, so why not have a go?
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Quote uk-gtir-matt Replybullet Posted by: uk-gtir-matt on 29/July/2010 at 08:37 uk-gtir-matt
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Just a quickie have you thought about using a 50/50 mix for the chargecooler instead of just 100% water?.

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Quote uk-gtir-matt Replybullet Posted by: uk-gtir-matt on 29/July/2010 at 08:48 uk-gtir-matt
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Originally posted by PobodYI'm sure I read something about this... the water/air cooler does a better job over short distances and when the car isn't moving, but it really suffers from heat soak once the water gets warmer. - That's why they say it's good for drag racing; you get really good cooling for a couple of minutes, then it gets hot and stops working. You really need a way to keep the water cool (so a second radiator and/or a big reservoir) to make it work any longer than that.

I'll be damned if I can remember where I read it, so I could have that slightly wrong.


This is true, my mate has one on his 350bhp R5. The tank is not really that large but he has found that you have to keep an eye on the levels as if you don't you have a high chance of cooking the engine.

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Quote GTI-R Aut Replybullet Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 29/July/2010 at 10:28 GTI-R Aut
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well probably u huge air ic is better for daily use but it has to be more effitient than the stock ic. iīm not going to beat the shit out of the car.

or is it enough when i use an arc intercooler like this:
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Quote uk-gtir-matt Replybullet Posted by: uk-gtir-matt on 29/July/2010 at 11:08 uk-gtir-matt
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Sorry dude,

Was under the impression you were going to do a bit of drag racing/track days etc.

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Quote GTI-R Aut Replybullet Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 29/July/2010 at 11:45 GTI-R Aut
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no just for road racing and winter drifting
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Quote uk-gtir-matt Replybullet Posted by: uk-gtir-matt on 29/July/2010 at 11:54 uk-gtir-matt
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Winter drifting?

Blimey I'd say the uprated top mount will be fine then as the OAT will be a lot cooler and denser to start with.
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Quote GTI-R Aut Replybullet Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 29/July/2010 at 12:19 GTI-R Aut
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yeah winter drifting: that means open roads + snow = is a hell lot of fun

u guys donīt have enough snow for that??

itīs very popular in austria


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Quote Fred Replybullet Posted by: Fred on 29/July/2010 at 12:49 Fred
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I agree, in France, especially in the alps, a lot of guys come with cosworth sierra or scooby to have fun on snow!!! :-P
Snow drift, you have the solution, in winter it's cold with snow to fill your watercooler!!
You just have put some new snow in every runs!!
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Quote GTI-R Aut Replybullet Posted by: GTI-R Aut on 29/July/2010 at 13:40 GTI-R Aut
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hot engine + snow well i dissagree
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IIRC intercoolers and chargecooler have the air blowing through different areas.In an intercooler the charged air blows through the bars and fresh air flows through the fins.With chargecoolers the water flows through the bars and the charged air passes throught the fins.

 
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